To be furious at further royal privileges

Hand up , I have been to Paris and Berlin , or was it Hamburg ?

bluebell, your post is very confusing. Are you saying that some Gransnetters won't go to Paris or Berlin because they don't have a Royal family?

I don't think either the royals or foreign media moguls should be interfering with, and trying to influence, policy. The argument about us getting the press we deserve goes so far, but does not absolve the media of appalling behaviour, or their assumption that meaningless rubbish is of interest to everyone.

Bluebell Who buys the newspapers and magazines? Who watches the programmes? Who visits the websites? The media give us what they know we will buy. Both attacks on the Royals and sycophantic, fawning drool sell papers. We don't know how much truth there is in either. And we should ask who is behind the media reports. IMO the royals have more right to try to influence policy than mega rich foreign media barons.

What do you mean Lily?

Have just read whole thread through again - the argument about tourism makes me want to sob - anybody in GN been to Paris, Berlin.....? No thought not, no royalty, won't go- for goodness sake! As for who royal residences belong to - in theory I could live in No10 or 11 but never in Buck House!

We get the press we deserve.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2278948/Homeopathy-charity-run-Charles-cowed-civil-servants-supporting-therapy.html

I agree with all the comments above about their privileges re various taxes but what I think is even worse is Charles' interference in government and the fact that the Guardian has lost its challenge for these letters to be made public. I've given the link to his appalling interference in health information made available on NHS Choices as a particularly egregious example. It's a DM link by the way deliberately to show it wasn't just the Guardian who thought this was a newsworthy story.

As for the baby - I am serious when I say I wish I could be in Outer Mongolia when it happens - but of course that will only be the start.......it's the sycophantic, semi- religious, mystical way in which it will be reported that is I find stomach churning and insulting to our intelligence as grown ups in a supposedly mature, rational democracy.

Too right we are "force fed royal propaganda at every opportunity" Eloethan just take this baby for example. It it like the second coming of the Christ child. Helicopters at the ready. Hospital and staff on standby. Best stop "working" (ha ha that's another story in itself) shaking hands and dressing up Kate and put your feet up, millions spent renovating a mansion (there will be three of them after all, no bedroom tax there). The whole thing makes me sick. As for that hypocrite Charles (don't do as I do, do as I say) why should he not pay corporation tax and capital gains tax in his pile? When i have been hounded to the ends of the earth for a few thousands of corporation tax on my micro engineering business. He thinks because he has someone sew a badly fitting patch on his old jacket that we all feel sorry for him. Bless him poor grandad to be, how on earth can he manage?

Got it in one Eloethan, we have been conned for centuries, special branch, up yours
Peter

Living the privileged and comfortable lives that they do, how could they even contemplate an attempt to obtain money from a poverty fund, that was set up to help people in dire need, in order to pay their heating bills. I find it sickening. When such injustices occur in other countries we, rightly, hold our hands up in horror and wonder how their populations are so submissive - and even supportive. Why is there no real public outcry - could it be that we are force fed royalist propaganda at every opportunity?

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Join my (non existent as yet) petition, why you charlie and liz but not me.
Peter
ps Special Branch, defenders of the faith, go screw yourself. 72, disabled, no support from the community, apart from screwing my testicles you cant make my life much more miserable. Or can you.

This week’s Dispatches on Channel 4?alleged that Prince Charles is dodging taxes on his 800-million pound business empire.
I got a petition in my email from 'sumofus' demanding that Prince Charles should pay his taxes.!!!

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It does all seem a bit medieval when you think about it, doesn't it moggsy? Can't be bothered getting hot under the collar about it myself, but I would vote for changes that reduce their priviledges if I was ever given the chance. Fat chance, probably.

The most recent FOI by a blacktop newspaper report Mrs Windsor had vetoed 31 bills that would have affected the PRIVATE income of herself and her son. My Regiment, The First Royal Tank Regiment decided in order to improve equipment ranks below SNCO would not be provided with No 2 Service dress, just two pair of black tank overalls one for working on tanks, the other for ceremonial parades. The sight of the huge number of Guards Regiments, both mounted and dismounted with their mega expensive uniforms, horses and acrutiments amounts to very many millions on The Queens Birthday Parade . We were very lucky to have an aristocracy with the foresight to invite KG1 to take the throne. He was only 58th in line, but the first protestant they could find, he hated England, could not and would not speak English and was buried in his beloved Germany. QV1,s children were reported to still speak with a very heavy German accent when visiting any one of the huge number of " holiday homes" we theoretically own but definitely pay for,The, then, Duke of Windsor, who put self before country sums up the monarchy superbly, self before the peasants who pay for their luxurious lifestyle. Do you, your children, or grandchildren fall under the Bedroom Tax rules, surprisingly Mrs Windsor and her dysfunctional family appear to be exempt. Tourism, only cost us a few pence a year each, very lucky to have them! Yes you can plait fog.
Peter

I meant to watch that, Aka. It had to do with the Duchy of Cornwall being exempt from Corporation tax etc? Must find it and watch.

Watching the Dispatches programme last night made me view Prince Charles in a less favourable light. I'd previously applauded his commitment to the environment but now I'm left wondering.

In an effort to ward off criticism of their no-tax status, the monarchy agreed some years ago to pay income tax. However, in exchange they got a much more favourable deal in terms of how their Civil List income was calculated.

In a Dispatches documentary re the Duchy of Cornwall this evening, it was shown how its whole operation is shrouded in secrecy. What is not secret, however, is that the Duchy pays no Capital Gains or Corporation tax. People and towns who have come up against the Duchy of Cornwall felt that Prince Charles's supposed commitment to the environment was not evident in the sort of deals that the Duchy has been involved in.

I'm a huge supporter of the Monarchy and always will be. Rather them any time than the alternative of a republican voting circus every few years
which would probably cost as much, and we would lose all the history and fascination for our monarchy which brings milions of tourists here.
The only thing I would say though is that the monarchy needs to be slimmed down so that we only see the immediate family, rather than all the relatives who used to gather on the balcony etc...
Also, they should be more mindful of our economic problems and be prepared to make cuts just like we are all having to endure.
But, apart from that, Long Live the Monarchy!

Both the Queen and the Prince of Wales have the right to be consulted about and to seek changes to proposed legislation that affects them and/or their property and businesses. The changes to legislation that they have sought have not been made public.

In answer to the person who queried the accusation that the Prince of Wales is stupid, I would ask in return, has she ever listened to anything he has said at length about society, education or ambition? He's probably reasonably sound on organic farming as he would have been guided by his own land/farm managers.

Quite bags twice over for your last 2 posts. Well put. I gather it is really hard to get an appointment with a minister for the rest of us, even those who have a very legitimate professional interest in such meetings, with civil servants trying hard to set meeting up. And then they tend to grant you about 15 minutes, during which they do not listen well. PC probably found it easier to get their time and even, maybe, their attention.

It's not all about money. Bluebell's question centered around Freedom Of Information, and the new right of secrecy that some members of the royal family have now been granted.

I am quite sure this has happened to prevent evidence of political involvement, particularly as the queen and prince phillip are now old, in readiness for prince charles to be king. As I said earlier, I think it's an attempt at controlling information once this happens.

There will always be concerns about the monetary value of the Business, but I suspect that can be weathered, whereas political involvement would be far more serious and damaging.

The Queen is the the only Head of State who does not have a private jet. All the Presidents do.

Bez They do have a 'Royal train' though. This train did around 15 trips last year at a cost of £703,000 !

But I suspect ministers will not give the ear to just anyone quite so readily as they will give it to Charles. Anyway, lily says Charles is not entitled to the privacy that the Queen is entitled to, in which case one wonders why the letters could not be made public.