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To just want to sob?

(133 Posts)
bluebell Mon 17-Jun-13 20:56:17

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2342983/Kate-Middletons-Royal-baby-expected-spark-243m-national-shopping-spree.html

absent Tue 18-Jun-13 20:46:40

Ana Don't the media treat the royals like animals in the zoo? Hasn't there been a lot of stuff about the size of the Duchess's bump?

Ana Tue 18-Jun-13 21:00:17

So, that makes it all right then?

absent Tue 18-Jun-13 21:44:36

It wasn't wrong in the first place.

Ana Tue 18-Jun-13 22:03:14

It wasn't correct, though.

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:24:47

Vukgar

harrigran Tue 18-Jun-13 22:26:36

I'll have mine with lime and tonic thanks. Sorry I thought you said vodka ? grin

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:26:53

Sorry 'vulgar' vul·gar
/ˈvəlgər/
Adjective
Lacking sophistication or good taste; unrefined:
Making explicit and offensive reference to sex or bodily functions; coarse and rude:
Synonyms
common - coarse - rude - gross - low - rough - plebeian

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:29:09

Now that sounds better Harrigran I like mine with fresh squeezed orange, though I believe cranberry juice is what the in crowd drink grin

gracesmum Tue 18-Jun-13 22:32:51

I'm with the "much sicker than they are letting on" faction - and given all the times I have trekked to and from the Royal Free clocking up the Virgin Train miles when DH has been poorly, I think HM got let off lightly!

gracesmum Tue 18-Jun-13 22:36:57

Surely vulgar's primary meaning is "characteristic of the common people" and common people does not need to have pejorative connotations. e.g. the vulgar tongue = the national or vernacular language (as opposed to Latin.)

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:51:47

I lifted the definition straight from a reputable dictionary, but of course if you are a professional lexicographer I will bow to your superior knowledge hmm

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:53:40

I rest my case

gracesmum Tue 18-Jun-13 22:55:18

Is this National Let's Pick on Gracesmum Day or what? I did what you presumably did - used the OED and picked the first meaning. No big deal and I wasn't trying to deflect attention from a typo either. So why the heavy sarcasm?

Ana Tue 18-Jun-13 22:55:25

So do you think it's quite acceptable to describe a woman as having 'whelped' rather than having given birth, gracesmum? I don't care whether it's the Duchess of Cambridge or Ms X down the road - IMO it's offensive and, yes, vulgar.

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 22:57:53

Grace my remark was directed at the use of 'whelping' by another. I'm not sure how you got sidelined into defending that. Peace.

Ana Tue 18-Jun-13 22:59:20

And no, I'm not getting at you,*gracesmum*, I think there's been enough 'getting at' on another thread...

gracesmum Tue 18-Jun-13 22:59:55

"Whelped" is a prefectly acceptable word for having a puppy and was, I assume used ironically, but I wouldn't presume to second guess what another GNetter meant. I certainly saw no lese-majeste in a harmless enough remark. So I fail to understand why the entire weight of both volumes of the OED have been dropped on me from a great height.

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 23:03:53

Grace bitches whelp, human beings give birth. Simples!

Aka Tue 18-Jun-13 23:05:00

moon

gracesmum Tue 18-Jun-13 23:09:28

Don't we all use alternative terms when it comes to childbirth - we talk about popping, we call babies sprogs, "girls with pearls" have been heard to say they are "in pup", people joke about "the heir and the spare" and the aristocracy used to say a woman was "breeding," It doesn't have to be insulting unless delivered in an insulting context.

absent Tue 18-Jun-13 23:31:50

I'm sorry about offending with whelp. I didn't realise I would upset some gransnetters with a piece of common (as in vulgar) slang. confusedWhat about pops his clogs? Perhaps I should have said I wonder what the media will do if the Duke of Edinburgh shuffles off his mortal coil on the same day as the Duchess of Cambridge experiences a happy event. Dear Sensitive Souls and Defenders of Royal Prerogatives, is that better? hmm

Greatnan Wed 19-Jun-13 05:09:34

The few aristocrats I have known have usually employed pretty basic terms for bodily functions! grin

Bags Wed 19-Jun-13 06:20:42

Bloody hell! Some people just look for reasons to take offence. Yeesh!

Whelp is from Old English "to bring forth". Not a scrap of vulgarity anywhere near it. And even if there were, childbirth is vulgar – commonplace, unrefined, etc.

Bags Wed 19-Jun-13 06:23:26

<waits for remarks like "my birthings were very dignified and refined">

Aka Wed 19-Jun-13 06:58:25

That's so much better Absent. It's refreshing to see a genuine apology being offered with an attempt at humour!
Greatnan I too find some of my aristocratic relatives acquaintances can tend towards vulgarity. I think it's something to do with thinking they are better than the plebs and therefore the normal rules governing society and politeness don't apply to them. They have much in common with yobs.
Bags I suppose it depends on your point of view whether or not one 'takes offence' I'd rather say that there was some healthy debate on the appropriateness of language employed and the sentiment behind it. Is that not allowed?