Margaret Thatcher

Sel, perhaps you'd like to list the 'closed minds' whom you think will not have read that link. Then perhaps, if they wish they can take each one of the examples listed, analyse it for accuracy, say how far they believe that the 'myth' is extant.

A good example of how ridiculous these titles are.

Mark Thatcher was convicted in 2005 in South Africa of financially and logistically assisting a failed coup in Equatorial Guinea. After agreeing to a plea bargain to avoid possible imprisonment, he was given a four year suspended sentence and fined 3 million rands.

After his conviction in South Africa, he was not allowed a visa to return to the US. Also his Monaco residency card was withdrawn.

He has also been investigated by the US authorities regarding tax evasion (settled out of court) and racketeering charges (not proceeded with).

Yes, Nonu, I am sure you do.

I thought SELs remark , fairly innocuous .

There you go again, Sel, making derogatory remarks about any posters who don't agree with you. Are you sure your are so open-minded yourself?

Mrs Thatcher gave Dennis the title, many said at the time with a view to it being passed down to Mark on Dennis's death.

"London loves business" marvellous post !

Sel Then they would have to admit they were wrong and that's not going to happen!

Well it would be good to think the closed minds would read it but I very much doubt it.

Ana, Tweedle24

m.londonlovesbusiness.com/7-most-annoying-thatcher-myths/5218.article

I read this on Fb and thought it worth sharing:

http://m.londonlovesbusiness.com/7-most-annoying-thatcher-myths/5218.article

I most certainly do not harbour any ill feeling toward the "Boadicea in Pearls" .

Russel brand certainly did not cover himself with glory when he pulled that stunt with "Manuel" and the gran daughter , why would right thinking people ^consider" anything he says now .

This is out of character , but i think he is a T____R.

did I actually say that ?

I suspect that most people would have little animosity towards the little old lady, suffering from dementia, that Russell Brand talked about in his recent article.

People who are not admirers of Mrs T are responding to their memories of how she behaved when she was in power, to the repercussions still being felt today and to her influence on current policies.

It seems fairly evident that, whilst there is a large amount of support for Mrs T, there is also a significant number of people who believe that her policies were divisive and damaging. So, she can't really be considered to be a generally "uniting force", as Churchill was, and some people feel that the lavish funeral arrangements are therefore inappropriate. In addition, the unprecedented attendance of the Queen, who is meant to be politically neutral, is seen by many as providing tacit support to past and present Conservative policies.

Personally, I think it's spiteful and stupid to jump around "celebrating" anybody's death, but I do feel that people should have the right to express disagreement without being called "nasty hate campaigners".

Nothing that is said can hurt Mrs T now, but, as Lilygran said, it was her own party that plotted to overthrow her and it was they that made her cry when she was alive.

And of course it would be OK for her not to have a quasi state funeral!

Shirley Williams gave her credit for being the first, not being a toff and still hacking it, being frank, being personally kind etc etc BUT she also said that Maggie stopped listening to people and was convinced of her own rightness. Don't forget it was her own party that sacked her. And now they are making all this fuss. Any connection do you think?

Shirley Williams was nice about her.

That is exactly what I feel , Ninny ,

Whatever one"s views on her politics , she was a FIRST

I feel we should celebrate Margaret Thatcher for being the first female prime minister and the longest serving one at that!

Just come across this surprisingly interesting (to me) article by Russell Brand:www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

IMO " if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all" makes perfect sense. Is the alternatve to be spiteful and offensive because however much hurt you cause is over ridden by the desire to have your say?

I wasn't equating as you well know - I was exploring the concept of the global application of the-not-speaking-ill-of the-dead-rule. Thanks absent -but have now lost the will to live so will retire gracefully from this thread - not that I know which one it is any longer - at the moment it's a bit like all road lead to Rome

You can hardly put vile people like Jimmy Saville in the same category as Mrs Thatcher. Yes you may not have agreed with her policies but she wasn't a criminal monster was she?

My point was, equating a politician, who's views differed from your own to a criminal was not a fair comparison.

I don't know whether they mean all dead people or just MT - that was my point. I don't think it's unreasonable to ask someone to explain their post - how is that jumping down your throat, bluebell?