European Union in or out

But if your principles meant that both the environment and workers protection, plus a lot of other protections for individual rights would be sacrificed? No-one should be so precious as to sacrifice that on the alter of principle.

He undoubtedly realised that he was open to criticism too, but he is clearly a bigger man for doing so.

Never noticed Cameron being at the march for steel workers.

And Boris changes his mind so often he doesn't know what a principle is.

He's got more principles in his little finger than Cameron has at all.

Sometimes principles go by the board.

Ah, yes, pragmatism.

Corbin is showing a degree of pragmatism that many of us recognise. We understand the problems associated with the EU, but also at the same time support the protection that it gives to individuals and the environment. If we didn't have such a reactionary government and potential government things may be different for some, but we simply can't trust the leaders of Brexit to do right by both the environment and the UKs people.

Corbyn was told off for not going to the Jutland event.

This is interesting.
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/05/31/eu-referendum-is-not-ripping-conservative-party-apart-insists-brexit-minister-chris-grayling_n_10219324.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-news

They are a bit late trying to patch it up.

Well if you mean that something like 98% of Labour MPs support remaining in the EU, to that extent yes I guess you could say their lot has been thrown. But if you ask whether Labour would have had this ridiculous referendum in the first place given the economic state of the world and the UKs struggle with its debt then the answer would have been No. But we are where we are, and so of course they will support the remain camp.

That's not what Anya said, roses. How do you know what she meant?

We all know that Corbyn doesn't like the EU.....but that's what it is when you are a Leader, you have to toe the Party line, but it must be sticking in his craw!

Thrown in it's lot regarding the remain campaign, is what is meant.

If he's got any sense he is - away from all this nonsense that is entirely the Tories making.

Isn't he on holiday at the moment?

I am being thick here - how has Labour thrown in its lot with the Tories? Personally I would think Corbyn would rather eat worms.

Sorry, so why did you say that Labour has thrown in its lot with this government? And call it a serious note?
It HASN'T!

There are Labour In for Britain buses touring the UK at the moment. Hard to notice them because the news is all about the Tory split.

It's sad that Sadiq Khan thought it okay to go on a platform with Cameron, who a month ago had called him all sorts of names for being on a platform with people he deplored.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/david-cameron-sadiq-khan-eu-referendum-remain-proud-muslim_uk_574c1d2ae4b03e9b9ed5efee

Now, of course, he is a proud muslim, even though it took Cameron six days to congratulate Khan on becoming the mayor of London. However, Sadiq Khan is not the Labour party, he is one member of it.

That's my point varian -.... in fact he isn't even who he says he is!

bangs head on desk

Forget it DJ - of course I hadn't realised the government was split down the middle. What a numpty I am

No point in wasting time on me, I'm too thick to understand.

wanders off to sit in corner with dunce hat on head!

Anya, I don't think for a minute Irvine Welsh would ever see himself as a "Glasgow-style hard man". He was born and brought up in Edinburgh and has lived in London, Dublin and Chicago, but as far as I know, never in Glasgow!

Labour hasn't thrown its lot in with the government. In case you haven't realised the government is split down the middle.
It's just that the media do not focus at all on the Labour In group.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/05/31/little-britain/

This is what could happen if the Brexiters get their way.

All that was missing was the adjective 'paunchy' lazigirl (he needs to go LC perhaps)

Whoops Anya balding, middle-aged and background in local government, even an erstwhile substance dabbler - could be a description of GNs or spouses!
I do agree with you about Corbyn and I too think it feels wrong.

But on a serious note DJ I find it worrying that Labour has thrown its lot in with this government. I actually thought that Corbyn would stand his ground. He was growing on me as a leader, but this has not felt right, though I understand why he has taken this stance.

That's why it was a précis DJ - I'm mentioning it now!

Perfectly happy to read The Guardian, indeed often so. That doesn't mean to say I appreciate the language being massacred by a balding, middle- aged, unlikely hero of the chemical generation who would like to see himself as a Glasgow-style hard man but has instead with a background in local government!

Anya, your precis did not mention Eton, just the better off. I include Boris, Gove and IDS among the better off.